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    August 5, 2012
    10:00 - 11:00pm PDT  

>> my mother the legendary king of pop michael jackson passed away june 25th, 2009. >> i am geraldo rivera. this special report the kidnapping of catherine jackson begins with her son michael's death at age 50 leaving three young children and a mountain of debt. as his i say state is fueled by extraordinary record sales katherine is worth a king's
ransom. he left her 40 percent his kids 40 percent 20 percent of the estate remaining going to children's charities. additionally michael has named katherine guardian of his three heirs. now michael's will and katherine's guardianship are under attack from relatives who have been cut out. but a family power struggle is one thing. kidnapping another. >> late saturday night katherine raising his kids reported missing. >> sunday july 22nd michael's daughter paris tweets, yes my grandmother is missing i haven't spoken with her in a week. i want her home now. >> at this point the kids france 15, paris 14, blanket 10 years old had not seen their grandma for 7 days. rejecting explanations from her uncle and aunt janet jackson paris pleads gishthly to t dire the public. >> if any one sees my
grandmother call the police or this number. thank you so much. where is grandma? the teens tweet sets up a nationwide search. >> took down a report we have been attempting to contact her. >> a bizarre family drama plays out in full view at the heart his money and the fact that father joe and siblings including the four involved in this escapade randy, jermaine, janet and recommend my have been cut out. as for katherine's mysterious disappearance jermaine tweets. >> let me put to bed today's nonsense as has been clear some days ago my mother is safe and well in arizona. (inaudible). >> but paris is skeptical of her
uncles and aunts. >> the same doctor that testified on behalf of dr. murray saying my father was a drug addict, a lie, is caring for my grandmother. just saying. >> day 8. monday july 23rd, still no contact with her grandmother. she tweets again. 8 days and counting something is really off. this isn't like her at all. i want to talk directly to my grandmother. >> day 9 tuesday july 24th. video of an altercation of katherine ace home involving ver ma jermaine, randy, janet and paris. >> jdeputies determined a minor scuffle occurred between two jacksons and minors. >> after the slap janet jackson told paris jackson your (bleep). >> it wasn't a slap it was a trying to grab her cell phone.
>> 9 days and counting. so help me god i will make whoever did this pay. >> day 10 wednesday july 25th. realing from reaction to the team's pleas the older jacksons relent. >> wie did go to the phone and they feel they can visit with or talk with their grandma at any time. >> but now even some of michael's lib sings share his children's concern. >> we have been told that our fath mother is safe she is doing well but we have not spoken with her. we have not talked with her. and i don't know where my mother -- i don't know where my mother is. >> finally 10-days after her disappearance catherine jackson reemerges and speaks to the world. >> there are rumors going around about me that i have been kidnapped and held against my will.
i am here to state to let everybody know i am fine, and i am here with my children and my children would never do that thing like that hold me against my will. >> whether her 10-day disappearance they disapprove. temporarily stripping her of her three gland children. >> the ruling in court was about the guardianship and i think it was based on a bunch of lies. i am devastated that while i have been away that my grandchildren have been taken away from me. >> finally thursday august 2nd a california court restores katherine to custody but with a catch. an adult grandson teto jackson junior is awarded co guardianship. >> when his grandmother came home tj and the grandmother discussed what she would like and what she had decided after meeting with prince, paris and blanket is that they would like to formally recognize tj as co guardian.
>> did greed lead to an attempt bison of the legendary jackson family to isolate and manipulate their own mother? was it a gang control of katherine's 40 percent of michael's rapidly growing he is skate? was it foiled by 14-year-old paris using twitter to blow the whistle on aunt jam net and recommend my and randy? >> he is michael jackson's niece and tj is now co guardian of michael jackson's three children. we are live from las vegas. can you tell us first of all are you speaking with the consent of your legendary family tonight? >> yes, i am. i am speaking with the consent of one relative. >> and which of those relatives specifically know you are on the program tonight?
>> i don't want to say who. >> have you spoken with your brother tj since he has been granted custody of your cousins paris and prince and blanket? >> i have not. it is a lot going on right now. everybody needs their space. i am going to give it to them. everybody needs to hash out what's going on. there's a court hearing going on. i have to let them be. i tried to speak to my grandmother and she did not come to the phone. that's okay. she needs her time to rest. it's a lot on her. >> did you know where she was during her disappearance? >> yes, i did. i knew that she was not kidnapped. that -- it's foolish. she wasn't kidnapped. this situation right now is hard. ses hard for her traumatizing
for the family. she just needed a break. shiesz an elderly woman she needed time and space. that's all. >> how was it explained to you then theron grandchildren that she was in charge of didn't know where grandma was? >> that was not explained to me. but i know for a fact she needed a break. maybe she didn't tell anybody she needed a break. >> maybe nobody told her she was having a break. are you certain you know the facts and circumstances of your grandma's disappearance? >> yes, yes i do. yes, i do. >> and why, then, this altercation between your aunt janet and paris? >> janet was just trying to stop the tweets.
paris is a teenager and she is emotional. she didn't know what was going on and she was doing what she thought was right. >> but how is it that you knew what was going on and paris did not? >> well, because i spoke with someone in the family. >> they assured you -- wasn't your grandmother supposed to be going with prince jackson wto a jackson family concert in new mexico. isn't that where she was supposed to be going? is it not a fact she had no idea she was going to this rest home kind of place? >> no, that's not true. i don't know anything about her going to a concert. >> was there a jackson family concert in albuquerque new mexico that weekend she disappeared? >> yes there was a unit tour she were doing and probably in mexico at that time. but i don't think she was going
there at that time when they said she was missing. i don't think she was going there. >> that's not what i heard. is it not a fact that prince jackson joe's grand a physical fight with randy at the jackson family? >> no. >> wasn't that the scuffle that was reported to the authorities? is>> no. no. i don't know anything about that. i don't know anything about that. >> was there a scuffle between randy and jermaine and -- >> i do not know. >> you haven't heard anything? >> i haven't heard anything about the scuffle. >> you are totally satisfied that everything is cope shtetic with this disappearance? >> yeah. i am. >> we will talk much more. i didn't mean to interrupt you. i know there's a slight delay. i didn't mean to interrupt you.
we will have much more with dena jackson the sister of tj jackson who is now co guardian of the three jackson children. coming up more on michael's he is skate as we follow the money and we will have the latest on today's bloody act of domestic terror in wisconsin and governor mike huckabee will be here with his reaction to the chik-fil-a trials.
>> continuing tonight michael's niece and sister of tj who is co guard january of michael's children after the bizarre story with catherine jackson.
we ha tell us about your reunion today. >> a lot of people didn't show up. my grandma obviously did not show up. it was me and joe and majestic who is a very long time family friend. it was mostly joe he is avenue side of the family. it was very nice and brief and i enjoyed myself. >> mike walker the ace of the national inquirer joins us. you have heard our opening segment and the initial interview. do you think the miss serious disappe -- mysterious disappear of katherine did it involve the will and the gigantic pot of gold at the end of the michael jackson rainbow? what do you say? >> the driving force is janet jackson and randy. randy said on al sharpton's
radio show. this is not about money from us. that's a lie. he and his brother jermaine have already petitioned the estate for $500,000 roughly that for back child support for the woman by whom they each have two children. it is about money. the whole thing about the doctor he told al my mother is ailing. et cetera. this is a matter of record. mother had a complete physical checkup. this is all garbage. when she got there. remember when she came back all of the family was standing around in the weird press conference no one was allowed to speak said i was fine i was not kidnaped by my children. in the court decoration a different story. she says when she got there she was surprised to find her phone cut off they took her ipad and cell phone she wasn't allowed to watch television. janet is jealous of paris. paris was offered a movie role.
janet was upset. said quotes about i don't want her to do that she shouldn't be doing this. why? because janet her career is not doing that well it's lagging. that gave randy and the guy as little bit of mocks ee to go after john the lawyer who runs the estate who by the way hadz done a brill jaiant job. michael died 500 million in the hole. he is just about even and the he is skate is valued at a billion dollars going on tour with pepsi, cirque du soleil and done a wonderful job. the will is phony. california superior court and said no the will is valid. this is about a bunch of people trying to get their hands on a bunch of money. michael never wanted them to have anything to do with his children his father or brothers or sisters. >> can you stay on and have ample time to respond to what
mike just said and anything else you would like to say? >> yeah, i am going to make that brief. i just said in another interview -- can you hear me? >> you have to say it in the next segment if you don't mind. we will be right back. the man who made buying a chik-fil-a channed which a political statement. governor mike huckabee joins us. an expert estate lawyer after this
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prideful arrogant attitude to think that we would have the audacity to try to redesifine wt marriage is all about. >> we have ourselves a typical culture war skinlirmish. doesn't seem enough to warrant a million mouth march until... >> promising to block chik-fil-a from opening a store. >> rahm emanuel who threatened won't allow chik-fil-a in chicago. >> san francisco is telling chicago fillet it is not welcome. >> oh, boy. >> they are always complaining about the government persecuting them for their belief? mistaking not being able to do whatever they want for censorsh censorship? well, in this case i am pretty sure they got something. pretty sure you can't outlaw a company with perfectly legal business practices because you find their ceo's views repellent. not sure which amendment covers that but it's probably in the
top 1>> the man who launched a million chik-fil-a sandwiches last wednesday the former governor of arkansas the former presidential candidate my friend and colleague mike huckabee. >> goodo see you. >> cowantis pate the enormous response? >> we had 21 million views to my facebook page. i was surprised the intensity of it. matched by my surprise at the calmness of it. it was not an angry protest. it wasn't people yelling and screaming it was people going and buy ago chicken sandwich. there were pretty loud protests but most of those came from the chickens. >> you do have some counter protestors outside the chik-fil-a but generally speaking why due describe the kind of business the intensity. >> there are people who waited in line for 3, 4, sometimes 5
hours. there are cars 3 or 4 across traffic back will up almost a mile. chik-fil-as across the country ran out of food. they jammed shopping malls there were remarkable gestures of sport. not that they were agreeing with dan but there has to be the ability of people to take a stand individually as long as it doesn't effect the company's willingness to serve all customers and to treat their employees with respect and dignity. >> what about the allegation that the views on same-sex marriage are so intolerant that they are intolerable? >> the same views barack obama expressed until may of this year. >> they are. the same views hillary clinton and joe biden expressed four years ago. they are the expressions of voters in 32 out of 32 states. there's not one state why the
voters had a chance to decide marriage where they didn't decide the same thing dan calf fee todstood for. >> the chik-fil-a sandwich is symbol of whether or not you support gay marriage? >> no. they never asked for the controversy. he made his comments perctly appropriate for any forum but especially in a christian forum. there were gay activists who took to bullying him because he said it. what really tipped it over the edge when you see these mayors coming out using their official position and pedestal as a public official to denounce this company because of the individual who ran it. it is one thing to say i don't agree with their position. that's fine even as a public official but to imply or openly threaten that company from doing business in one of those cities, that was over the edge. couldn't just go unchallenged. >> your wife janet my wife
erykah play big roles in our lives. my erica says, how can you not feel that everything, every utterance this man-made is so reprehensib reprehensible. years from now people will look back and say how could they possibly? isn't it like not letting black people drink at the same water fountains not letting black people use the same restaurants? isn't it the same advocates treatments of gays as different than straight people. >> he doesn't advocate treatment of gays unkind. he serves gays in his restaurants employs gays in his restauran restaurants. he doesn't discriminate. that would be a legitimate reason to to be upset with him. i don't believe discrimination is proper in the workplace. but to say if you disagree with same-sex marriage you are a big got or that you are intolerant or that is hate speech that is where i draw the line and say,
no, whether we are catholic or evangelical it's not that radical a point of view to say marriage still remains a man woman relationship. >> did you ever think you would play such a big role in the direction fast food is going? >> no. that wasn't the point. i wanted him to know there were a lot of people that appreciated the courage of his conviction. whether or not they agreed with it felt like he had a right to express it. >> what a job you did, governor. >> thank you. >> up next denay jackson live. he is rivalled only by elvis in terms of making money from the grave. guess how much the most successful late leading lady made? elvis, michael jackson, exactly 50 years after the day she died of a controversial overdose the
this is a fox news alert. space rover curiosity made a landing on mars. nasa isn't expected to find out at about 1:30 a.m. at the earliest. and with us is former nasa astronaut tom jones joining us from our washington, d.c. bureau. and this must be a special night for enthusists and everyone else out there watching. >> mars has been in our imagination over a century. we've had mars rover spirit and opportunity on mars this, rover is so times bigger than those previous rovers and we're going to learn about the suitibility of mars for past and present life there. >> and this is especially intense because nasa is testing out a brand new landing technique.
>> it's a real nail biter, there is a sus tim that is there on the planet we're awaiting 14 minutes of radio delay. to get signals back to tell us whether this is being put down on the surface, we're hearing signals to indicate whether each step is been going properly. when we get the final step that it's sitting on mars we'll know it goes for a five-year plus mission. >> and this would only be a success if it's transmitting information in the right place. seems like there is so much they have to get right. what happens if it isn't in the right place. >> there is feed back. >> tom i'm going to talk to nasa tv live broadcasting from
j.p.l. in pasadena, california. >> that converged at seven meters a second. >> right. >> and this is a separation of power light. down to 90 meters per second and sending. >> this is a power code with director of communications at this time. we're down to 86 meters per second and sending.
we've lost tones from earth at this time. this is expected. we're continuing monitoring. >> and ground solution equals 18 seconds. >> standing by for back up separation. >> we're in power flight. descending about 0 meters per second. 500 meters in altitude. standing by for sky crane. >> we've found a place to come in ready for sky train 40
meters altitude. this is about 7.5 meters as expected. >> this is stable. stable. >> woo-hoo! woo! >> going to see where our curiosity will take us.
>> now we know the landing was a success, lots of celebrating going on right now from jet propulsion laboratory in pasadena. tom, we see celebrating but what does this mean now that the landing was a success. >> this just opens the next chapter in mars exploration, congratulations to nasa on this amazing feat. there is about a five-year mission to set the rover climbing a three-mile mountain looking for evidence of past hospitalable climates and looking for chemical tracer that may have once existed there. >> and there is why pick that as the landing spot? >> because orbital photography is indicated that gale was once a tropical depression
filled with water, a lake on mars. chemical conditions, billions of years ago may have been correct for origin of live to have occurred there. >> and this is just amazing. so what we haven't seen pictures yet. and what can you tell us about what we might see? >> there is on the belly just above the wheels is a camera, a set taking images of the dirt below touchdown point. so the size of a mini cooper will be looking at grounds and we'll see a small image just confirming that they're on the surface, we'll get a gray and blurry image in the next few minutes up to about two hours from now depending on how the relay comes confirmation original images are coming back safely through the relay satellite. >> this is very long coming
for the cruise working on this. and now, curiosity does end up finding water or signs of live how significant would that be? and there is a first image from the landing itself. if they do find live what did that mean for us? >> this is not the actual job of the rover. they're looking for traces of climate and chemical traces that life night be there. and once discovering evidence it's going to change our idea of live on earth that will have arisen somewhere else telling us there could be millions of planets that could post life as well as finding our place in the universe. that he wills us about chances of finding other intelligent
civil saigs down there. >> and they'd talked about the fact they said we've got to win or if we lose that is going to be a big problem. so what can you tell us about that? >> this is a do or die moment this, has been in development for 10 years and this is, had it failed it would have left a vast vacuum. there would have been no funds for a follow up z there would have been a trenchman in the ability tochl plor mars or getting up an ability to lead that in the future, this is defers those questions for at least a few years and nasa has to makeup the find about whether we want to continue this program for scale back.
>> and we're talking about finding other signs of live and other test down things like ice. and there is something like as you were saying would be very significant. and it may be in the fewer tour if the planet heats up possibility there would be live again? >> this is probably like life on earth. this may be surviving there, today. and so this rover has a small drill and can find tracers of live f we find conditions were live that would indicate need
fr a roll up mission this, is going to be the big draw to get to the bottom of the questions of life on mars. maybe a drill rig team can drill bee will he the surface to look for microbes. so this is going to call for a follow up. we don't know answers yet. they will be interesting and perhaps will open up a draw for human exploration of mars. >> probably sounds like something from a science fiction movie that you ca can -- someone half human exploring mars. how far off that would that be? they need to find signs of live and this is expected to be followed up by a return sample mission for analysis here. that is taking place there are
astronauts putting their home work to bridge this goal of 35 million miles between earth and miles. by to 40 we might be ready to send human explorers there. that is many, many small steps and this is trying to build up capabilities for survival and existing on the surface using resources that is already there. >> for anyone just tuning this in, this is a very expensive mission. there is a lot riding on it. can you tell us what this means for the future of mars exploration? and planetary exploration? >> this is two and a half billion dollars.
and had it failed it would have been time to look and see whether it could manage these missions successfully. and this means there is a new capability looking for past traces of life on mars. shows the u.s. can put down a lender like this. and so this does remain for us and for nasa to show whether or not we intend to continue and follow up with future robot scouts and intention of people there for good this, is one of the major questions of the 21 century. and i want to talk about once again, what amazing this was for the rover to land. everything had to happen exactly at the right moment and different thing koz have gone wrong and explain how
they were able to pull this off? >> this is amazing and astonishing. we're seeing gray images showing the dirt so what happened here is that it was launched to mars and cruised to mars for eight to nine months. and there is before touchdown everything worked mazingly. this first time it was tried this is just one time. have you to hand to it this team and scientists. i can only imagine release after drena lynn and satisfaction going on now. >> and what -- the fact that this went very well, and again we saw how happy crews were. how is this going to affect our exploration?
that we're considering and now will be able to get funds needed to do that? >> this is a great question. and there is a 20% cut in next year's budget. this, i hope will inspire the public cause interest in nasa mars and other missions and maybe they can marshal this support to follow up in a level with mars exploration and perhaps to the moon so human explorers can follow up these kinds of discoveries. >> and thank you so much for being with us. you have been watching special coverage of the space rover curiosity's landing on mars which we now know was a success. we'll take you back to "geraldo at large" right after the break.
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family. she is an entertainer. we appreciate tenay has come on tonight. we are not talking about how talented she is. what do you think about what the siblings tried to do? >> i think very simply what they are trying to do is get control of their mother you heard the attorney earlier say if they can somehow get her replaced. these are her children. come on ma give me a few bucks. she could turn over her inheritance to them. she is 82 years old. i think they kidnapped her. her to kill her like a crime but they were trying to take control of her. >> bob massi do you agree with that? >> what is glaring to me is these people were not named as any beneficiaries. there's no specific request for them at all. primarily as we know with children. bottom line it is all about
children. if they would have gotten money from ladies and gentlemen if she would have been given 5 million or 10 million we wouldn't be talking about this. try to circumvent it try to get some money and move on. if money was in the will this discussion they wouldn't even be here. >> catherine jackson is still married to joe jackson. i don't know what catherine jackson's will is like, but this is as bob massi remind us an 82-year-old woman. who would be her beneficiaries. she is enormously wealthy and getting wealthier by the hour. who would her beneficiary be? >> she doesn't have a say in that. the trust puts her 40 percent of the entire estate in a trust for her life time. upon her death or if she has
predeceased michael jackson that 40 percent goes into the children's trust. >> so the children get it regardless of what katherine does now? >> absolutely. >> the only thing the older siblings could have been maneuvering to get is mom giving them money with the settlement you suggested earlier? >> the settlement or if catherine jackson as a guardian for her they would be given oo salary under california law. >> mark geragos do you think -- i know you are being calm and political and i know you represent represented michael jackson. i know you are an ace attorney. don't you think in some circumstances what happened here would demand a grand jury probe, would demand an investigation by authorities looking into whether or not a potential crime has been committed? >> no, wbecause as some people
often said probate court by family court is a -- if you open add grand jury every time someone sthaut there was a nefarious motive in family law court you won't have enough grand jurors in los angeles. i don't think so. i think it's over blown. i understand you can attribute or ascribe all kinds of motives to the people involved. but when i was around them i thought the family was incredibly loving and like some families some what dysfunction ality. i don't know what family isn't. i don't see it as sinister or in such a sinister way. >> i think you are being much too benign. tenay last word. 30 seconds to tell us about your own aspirations? >> my own aspirations or my music or the situation? >> whatever. your time.
anyway you want. >> all right. i will speak about my music. my aspirations is to do well and continue to please my fans, and continue to please my parents. >> tanay jackson, sister of tj jackson who now is co guardian of this mass estate. coming up, we will havex=lówófó.
>> fbi will be handling the criminal investigation on this incident. we looked at it the scope of it and what the implications might be. we are treating it as a domestic terrorist type incident. we have 7 deceased 3 injured including our officers. >> the best information the investigators and the tact kel
teams have right now is there was only one gunman. however the police departmentic methodiccally searching the area to be sure to be on the safe side. >> police and agents in the fbi is leading the investigation including the bomb squad. they evacuated homes conducted a search in the milwaukee suburb 6 miles from the scene of today's massacre. 6 were killed. steve brown is at the scene with the lathes. steve thanks for being with us. has the perp been identified? we are hearing this about ex military. what do we know about this search? >> there has been extraordinarily little information released on this case. he has been dead for 8 or 9 hours. we haven't heard from any of those killed or wounded either. we haven't gotten the
information about what kind of gun or guns were used in this particular shooting except to say there were two recovered from the scene one to be assumed to be an officer's gun and won the gunman's gun. what officials have said so far from the justice department producer is this gunman was in his 40s and veteran of the u.s. army. we know he has military training and in his 40s. as far as the investigation is concerned. what police have said is that the first two officers arrived on the scene. the first wounded while attending to someone who was shot themselves and the second who exchanged gun fire with the gunman ultimately killing them prevented a larger tragedy at the temple had it not been for the two police officers.
the timing was off if his goal was to create as much mayhem and death as possible he arrives a liter bit early. >> gunman came earlier than what most people come. i think relative damages were some what limited. if it had happened an hour or two later god knows how many people would be hurt or dead. i don't even want to think about it shlgs to , to be honest. >> mike levine is -- excuse me. go ahead, buddy. >> but certainly the killing of 6 is certainly nothing small. but this could have been a lot worse. >> steve, the guy is former army in his 40s. this could be another hate crime, could it not? i mean it is not a kocon gant o
anything like that whatsoever. >> logic does help us. logic and law does help us a little bit. the fbi has been investigating a possible act of domestic tearrism. the law defines domestic tearrism an action of violence which is intended to instill fear or change in the government. certainly if this was racially motivated or hate motivated the fbi would certainly say so. we believe it is more of a terrorism related incident at least that's what they are investigating right now. geraldo? >> steve, thank you very much. >> go curiosity lands on mars in 2 and a half hours. that's it for